Insights In Sound 218 – Gatos Trail Studio & Sonic Summit Team for Ross Hogarth Workshop S22 E8

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0:2626 secondsI’m here with Dan Jo of Gatos Trail Studios and Shane Lavin of Sonic Summit.
0:3333 secondsWe’re talking about an event that you guys are putting on in a couple of weeks uh featuring the illustrious Ross Hogarth.
0:4343 secondsUm and um well, first of all, tell me a little bit about the origin of this
0:5050 secondsevent. I know um Dan, we’ve talked a little bit about the studio. This is a studio that you founded um having more
0:5858 secondsor less fled LA for the desert and created something um created an environment out there uh a creative environment out in Joshua Tree. Is that right?
1:081 minute, 8 secondsThat’s correct. Yeah. um been out here since uh 2011 and the studio officially opened in 2014 and um been making
1:171 minute, 17 secondsrecords out here and having artists of all different kinds come out um ever since then and it’s been a really great
1:241 minute, 24 secondsuh adventure and experience and uh yeah um a couple of years ago well I started getting um labels sending their artists
1:331 minute, 33 secondshere for um writing retreats and um and I just started thinking about how great the layout was out here. We’ve got
1:411 minute, 41 secondsplenty of acorage and we’ve got a house on the property and some travel trailers and places for people to stay um and the
1:481 minute, 48 secondsstudio itself. And um so I started to think about uh hosting other types of songwriter events and music production
1:571 minute, 57 secondsevents and things of that nature. And at that time uh Shane was um
2:042 minutes, 4 secondsuh working with another group who brought um who contacted me about
2:102 minutes, 10 secondsbringing um Jakir King to uh do a um essentially music production master class. And that’s how Shane and I met.
2:192 minutes, 19 secondsUm and uh and since then and that one went off amazingly well. Um, right off
2:272 minutes, 27 secondson the heels of that, I um I’m friends with uh the great Joe Chakarelli and um
2:342 minutes, 34 secondsso I talked to him about having him host one and then Joe and so Joe and I did
2:402 minutes, 40 secondsone together um uh just about a year ago and that also went amazingly well. Um and so um I contacted Ross Hogart.
2:502 minutes, 50 secondsActually, Joe gave me Ross’s um contact info because the two of them had worked on a record together. Um several, I believe.
2:592 minutes, 59 secondsYeah. Yeah. Well, um Yeah. And uh and and so I contact uh contacted Ross and he was really open to the idea. He’s
3:083 minutes, 8 secondsdone several um classes at different institutions around including Berkeley and Blackbird. Um maybe even crass. I
3:173 minutes, 17 secondsdon’t remember if that was one of them, but he’s he comes from an educational I think his dad was an art teacher or something like that. So, he’s got it in his blood.
3:253 minutes, 25 secondsYeah.
3:263 minutes, 26 secondsUm and so once I had Ross on board, I I really wanted to get uh some help um
3:333 minutes, 33 secondswith with this seminar this time. Um because there, as you know, doing what you do, there’s a ton tons of marketing
3:403 minutes, 40 secondsand and uh social media stuff that needs to go on and just organization and things like that. So I I I ran into
3:483 minutes, 48 secondsShane at uh NAM this past year and um and just asked him if he would be interested in uh coming on board and um
3:573 minutes, 57 secondshelping get the seminar making the seminar a success. So that’s what we’ve been working on for the past several
4:034 minutes, 3 secondsmonths um in conjunction with Ross and all the people that he knows including yourself who have been uh very helpful
4:124 minutes, 12 secondsand uh offering um their services and their products. We have about 12 brand partners right now
4:204 minutes, 20 secondsthat are signed up to either give discounts or giveaways of their products to our attendees that are coming for this event. And they’ve been really
4:284 minutes, 28 secondshelpful with what they’re offering, but also in um in the fact that they’re helping us spread the word since we’re we’re kind of a small mom and pop
4:364 minutes, 36 secondsoperation here um and and kind of just getting started. So um having people aware of what we’re doing is a big part
4:454 minutes, 45 secondsof the the challenge that we face. So, um, so all of those, um, brands have been very helpful, the people that we’ve
4:534 minutes, 53 secondsmet along the way, and, uh, and so, yeah, so now we’re down to, um, you know, the last couple of weeks, and, um,
5:015 minutes, 1 secondthings are coming along really well, and we have, uh, a 4-day seminar planned where Ross is going to be, um,
5:095 minutes, 9 secondsproducing, arranging, and mixing a live band. Um, and we’ll also be taking
5:175 minutes, 17 secondsattendees, projects for Ross to give his personalized feedback on, um, and things
5:245 minutes, 24 secondsof that nature. It’s going to be a great 4-day retreat. It’s basically a playground for audio engineers who come out. And it’s a really fun time and a
5:335 minutes, 33 secondsreally great way for like-minded individuals to get to um mingle and and and talk about their projects and and
5:415 minutes, 41 secondswhat they’re working on and what their processes are. So, it’s lifelong friendships have been made at the couple of seminars that we’ve already had. So,
5:495 minutes, 49 secondsthat’s a big part of it that I think goes unnoticed to or or that we don’t advertise as much because we’re so busy talking about the the music production
5:575 minutes, 57 secondsmaster class. But there’s also a very um strong sense of community that comes about by throwing these seminars. So, we’re we’re looking forward to it.
6:066 minutes, 6 secondsYeah, it’s a great networking opportunity and I know um I mean, yeah.
6:116 minutes, 11 secondsWell, first of all, uh shout out to GC Customhouse um who I know are one of your sponsors and they’re one of ours as
6:196 minutes, 19 secondswell. So, uh you know, I I love the fact that those guys get really involved in these kind of events as well. Uh because
6:276 minutes, 27 secondsas uh as Dan, as you and I were talking about earlier, um I’ve always felt that it’s less about the gear and more about
6:356 minutes, 35 secondswhat you’re doing it doing with it, you know. And so, um in that sense, yeah, both Joe and Ross are really really
6:436 minutes, 43 secondsstrong proponents of that, of what I call the art of production, which is way more important than the gear. Um let me
6:516 minutes, 51 secondsback up a little bit to the chance encounter at NAM with Shane. What are the odds of a chance encounter at NAM?
6:596 minutes, 59 secondsUm, but yeah.
7:017 minutes, 1 secondYeah, it’s I I’ve met so many people through that and through doing panels there and whatnot, but um Shane, tell me
7:087 minutes, 8 secondsa little bit about what Sonic Summit does.
7:137 minutes, 13 secondsUm, well, uh, I go a bit against the grain with regards to not creating video tutorials.
7:227 minutes, 22 secondsI am a firm believer in the inspiration that can be struck by getting people who
7:317 minutes, 31 secondsshare a similar passion together in a room. So, um, Sonic Summit basically is an organization that,
7:407 minutes, 40 secondsuh, partners studios with great mentors and catering and accommodation, and I
7:497 minutes, 49 secondsorganize all-inclusive seminars um, that are limited to a small group of
7:557 minutes, 55 secondspeople. I’ve never had more than 13. and we bring in Grammy-winning producers and engineers
8:038 minutes, 3 secondsum either one, sometimes two teaching together and we basically put a full
8:108 minutes, 10 secondsitinerary together for everyone and they apply and every application is reviewed just to make sure that we don’t get any complete beginners, you know, because we
8:198 minutes, 19 secondsdon’t want them to be out of their depth.
8:208 minutes, 20 secondsWe cater to people who are already at a profession or at least a pretty advanced level. uh they don’t have to be full-time. You know, you got to wear a
8:288 minutes, 28 secondslot of hats in in today’s music industry, but um you know, the passion and the personality and whatever the willingness to learn is what really
8:358 minutes, 35 secondsmatters. And um it’s very special when they actually physically join each other at a
8:448 minutes, 44 secondsbeautiful destination studio and leave their usual day-to-day hustle and bustle behind. Most of them would be based in
8:528 minutes, 52 secondsLos Angeles, but London, New York, Nashville, wherever. And to get out of the city and um just be in a place where
8:598 minutes, 59 secondseverything is done for them, no washing dishes, no doing chores, and it’s all about learning from someone at the very
9:069 minutes, 6 secondstop of their game and not only watching the entire process of how they would be producing a new record with an artist or
9:149 minutes, 14 secondsa band who’s visiting, but also being able to show their own material. So
9:199 minutes, 19 secondsevery participant at these events can um present a multi-track session or play
9:269 minutes, 26 secondsback a few finished mixes for commentary and everyone stays in the room and offers constructive criticism to one another and people learn from one
9:369 minutes, 36 secondsanother as well as learning from the mentor of course. So that’s where the whole summit aspect ties into it. It’s because it’s not just really a classroom
9:449 minutes, 44 secondssetting. It’s people who are all at a similar level learning from one another and as mentioned before the networking
9:519 minutes, 51 secondsaspect is so important as well and I see collaborations happening after the seminars all the time and um I’ve run a
10:0010 minutesnumber of seminars now uh worldwide and uh funnily enough last August I ran one
10:0810 minutes, 8 secondsin Ireland with Andrew Sheps at the studio where Ross and Joe worked together grouse Lodge so they worked with Flogging Molly at that studio and
10:1510 minutes, 15 secondsthat was just a coincidence. I didn’t even know this before I was talking to Ross about it. Um, it’s a small circle at the top of the audio world really. So
10:2510 minutes, 25 secondsthat’s why it wasn’t such a coincidence that myself and Dan ran into each other at the NAM show.
10:3010 minutes, 30 secondsUm, but yeah, I’ve been doing this for two years now. I’ve done events in Guatemala, Mexico, Canada, Ireland, and California.
10:4010 minutes, 40 secondsAnd um Gats Trail has been one of the most special studios in terms of the vibe and the environment. You just wake
10:4710 minutes, 47 secondsup in the morning and it’s just serene and quiet and vast expanse of desert and there’s an the biggest catus I’ve ever
10:5410 minutes, 54 secondsseen right outside the door at uh Gatos Trail Ranch and a huge dining room for 20 people to sit and be really
11:0211 minutes, 2 secondscomfortable. So it’s really one of the top studios I’ve come across for this kind of all-inclusive retreat. And I’ve
11:0911 minutes, 9 secondslooked all over the world and traveled as far as Hawaii, um, Puerto Rico, Miami, all over Europe.
11:1711 minutes, 17 secondsI was in Rome at a studio a couple of weeks ago. So, I’m on the hunt for great studios. And there aren’t many left in the world that can really cater to something like this with a large enough
11:2511 minutes, 25 secondscontrol room for a group of up to 15 and to be able to cater on site and house people nearby or on site. So, uh, yeah.
11:3411 minutes, 34 secondsAnyway, back to your question. That’s what Sonic Summit is. It’s about bringing people together physically. Um, not the online tutorial route, which is
11:4211 minutes, 42 secondsof course important and it’s very handy to be able to download videos on an app and look at them in your pajamas in your own time. But this goes a step above
11:5011 minutes, 50 secondsthat to get people together and be able to ask questions whenever they feel like and become friendly with the mentor and their cohort and collaborate.
11:5811 minutes, 58 secondsYeah, I’m a big proponent of people working together in the same room. I I agree with you. It’s very nice to have the the video feedback once in a while,
12:0712 minutes, 7 secondsbut having having the human element is really really important. And uh it’s interesting. I mean, I have um on a
12:1412 minutes, 14 secondsnumber of occasions pushed a band that I’ve been working with to get out of
12:2112 minutes, 21 secondstheir their typical environment. Um, you know, I was working with a band from northern Germany and I took them down to
12:2812 minutes, 28 secondssouthern Germany to a a residential studio there for a week for the same reason. I feel like it’s uh taking them
12:3712 minutes, 37 secondsout of their natural habitat. It’s not just it it helps them focus because it removes a lot of other distractions and
12:4512 minutes, 45 secondsit really, you know, it creates an environment where the whole week or whatever time period it is, but the entire time period is dedicated to
12:5412 minutes, 54 secondsreally focusing on on the music and in particular on what I feel is really important, which is the pre-production aspect.
13:0513 minutes, 5 secondsYeah. Yeah. Well, um, luckily since I run the studio out here, um, I I get to see that firsthand every
13:1413 minutes, 14 secondsalmost every session that comes out. I do have locals that come, but most people who come are from somewhere else.
13:2213 minutes, 22 secondsAnd uh when they get here and they start working here, they their their whole um
13:2813 minutes, 28 secondsvibe changes and and they have attested to me that they’ve got they get a lot more done in a shorter period of time.
13:3613 minutes, 36 secondsThe inspiration of the environment is really useful. Um and yeah, it’s it’s
13:4313 minutes, 43 secondsreally uh I I see it in every session that comes. I get people who are really
13:5013 minutes, 50 secondsexcited to be here and are really um amazed by how different their work comes out in the end
13:5713 minutes, 57 secondsjust by unplugging from their normal life. If you live in Los Angeles and recorded in a studio in Los Angeles,
14:0414 minutes, 4 secondsit’s convenient for you, but you come home to your dishes like Shane was saying or your laundry or uh your your
14:1214 minutes, 12 secondsregular regular daily life and um it’s just good to be able to unplug from all of that and focus purely on the creativity.
14:2014 minutes, 20 secondsOh yeah. I mean, even if you just step outside the studio, you know, I mean, I even even wonderful studios like, you
14:2814 minutes, 28 secondsknow, um I mean, as I mentioned, I came up at Cherokee, but you know, I’ve worked at other studios like&m and Village and, you know, and they’re all
14:3714 minutes, 37 secondswonderful, wonderful studios, but the the fact of the matter is that once you step outside, you’re back in it,
14:4414 minutes, 44 secondsyou know, immediately. And that’s, you know, that is definitely a dynamic that sometimes it works. you know, it’s great to be able to, you know, to know that
14:5214 minutes, 52 secondsthere’s a Chinese restaurant right down the street or whatever, but um sometimes it’s really really good to be able to
14:5914 minutes, 59 secondsisolate yourself and focus very strongly on the music and um and then you know getting back to working with people like
15:0815 minutes, 8 secondsJoe and Ross uh you know Ross in particular I have known for many years and uh he is again like the rest of us
15:1715 minutes, 17 secondsvery very focused on the music and the reason we do all this stuff, you know, it’s it’s much more about that than it
15:2415 minutes, 24 secondsis what compressor you’re using or anything like that. And and I think that’s great to be able to have a week
15:3215 minutes, 32 secondswith somebody who can really focus you on that more than anything else.
15:3815 minutes, 38 secondsYeah. Through experience, I’ve seen that so many people are hungry for parameter settings on pieces of gear or
15:4715 minutes, 47 secondsplugins and they focus on the technical aspects and then when they eventually come to a seminar, they see that it’s
15:5615 minutes, 56 secondsthe mental part of it, the taste that the producer engineer has, the philosophy they have, the mindset is
16:0416 minutes, 4 secondswhat matters most. And um you know they just like a prime example of this is when I I ran a seminar last year in
16:1116 minutes, 11 secondsGuatemala with Manny Marin and everyone was just so excited to learn from him because he’s rare. He doesn’t do video tutorials. He doesn’t appear on camera
16:1916 minutes, 19 secondsvery often and he mixes always on an SSL. He came to a studio in Guatemala.
16:2416 minutes, 24 secondsThey don’t have consoles. He makes something in the box and he just did the best he can with plugins and he was very far out of his comfort zone. But the
16:3316 minutes, 33 secondsemphasis on his mentality and the mindset was about 90% of it. And people were everyone was surprised at how non-technical he was. And he used the
16:4216 minutes, 42 secondssame like a lot of stock plugins that they that everyone has access to. Um, and this is something that doesn’t come
16:4916 minutes, 49 secondsacross with people of, you know, Ross’ caliber when you see these tutorial videos because they are scripted and
16:5816 minutes, 58 secondsthey might be deconstructing a mix that they’ve done and they’ll be going into the settings which, you know, obviously the technical aspect is super important
17:0617 minutes, 6 secondsand we’re all nerdy about how to make something sound as best quote unquote as it can, but it’s that that doesn’t
17:1317 minutes, 13 secondsreally come across outside of in-person events. I think when you start to get to know the mindset of the person who is mentoring you, it’s not a teacher. I I
17:2117 minutes, 21 secondsdo think of them as mentors and I try to encourage them to take that approach where you’re getting the audience to
17:2917 minutes, 29 secondskind of think like they do because there are some very technically skilled geniuses out there and you might ask yourself, why don’t they have so much
17:3717 minutes, 37 secondssuccess if they have the same skills as someone else does? And it comes down to other aspects. It comes down to to the artist,
17:4517 minutes, 45 secondsyou know, investing in people, your network, your mentality, your taste.
17:5017 minutes, 50 secondsPeople might hire them for their taste, not their skill set. So, there are so many other aspects that don’t come across in the video tutorials. And as I
17:5917 minutes, 59 secondssaid before, they have their place. I’m not dismissing them whatsoever, but I just this is what people don’t get out of those. When people say to me, you
18:0718 minutes, 7 secondsknow, why would I pay and take the time off and travel to go to something like this instead of just paying $200 or $300
18:1518 minutes, 15 secondsa year and having an app where I can and and this is why this is why we try and people don’t realize until they get there. And then after day one, I’ve had people say to me, “This is the best
18:2318 minutes, 23 secondsinvestment I’ve made.” And I’m not just making this up. You know, when we get the feedback, that’s what strives me to keep going in this. And Dan and I both
18:3018 minutes, 30 secondsknow that it’s um it’s a challenging um pursuit that we both have because you’re dealing with the human element and
18:3918 minutes, 39 secondsconvincing people to actually get out of their studio, get out of their comfort zone, and then once they get there, they realize it was worth it. But it’s a
18:4718 minutes, 47 secondstough sell, but you know, the more events that happen, the great feedback we get. Um we both believe there’s a bright future in this. and we’re old
18:5518 minutes, 55 secondsschool in that approach, but we think that the the market calls for this nowadays as people have become a bit more comfortable and introverted.
19:0219 minutes, 2 secondsI have to agree with you especially on the um on the gear aspect, you know, and this is a conversation I’ve had with a lot of people. You know, it’s um you
19:1119 minutes, 11 secondsknow, I mean, I can give you the same gear that another person has and you’re still not going to come up with the same
19:1819 minutes, 18 secondsstuff. You know, it’s um uh as as somebody once said to me, you know, I can put you in Abbey Road with all the same gear that uh that George Martin and
19:2719 minutes, 27 secondsJeff Emerick used, and you’re not going to give me the Beatles. You know, it’s uh it it’s one of those things where I see so many people saying, “Oh, I have
19:3619 minutes, 36 secondsto have this particular box or this plugin or whatever because so and so used it on this particular recording.”
19:4419 minutes, 44 secondsAnd honestly, it it’s far less about the gear than it is about the human aspect of it. And that is what I think you’re
19:5219 minutes, 52 secondsbringing out here, which is really uh it’s very very valuable. And um I applaud you for taking the old school approach.
20:0220 minutes, 2 secondsThank you.
20:0220 minutes, 2 secondsYeah. The other thing about the other thing about the gear is the affordability and the endless the bottomless
20:1020 minutes, 10 secondsthe uh pit of going down that rabbit hole uh that it is uh and that I’m sure
20:1720 minutes, 17 secondsany aspiring engineer or anyone with a studio or any anybody who’s trying to make things sound better um realizes and
20:2620 minutes, 26 secondsI realized as a studio owner that I was really stressed out for a while because again this is all a mom and pop
20:3320 minutes, 33 secondsoperation and I’m not coming from 40 years of studios that I’ve accumulated
20:4020 minutes, 40 secondsgears gear from. I’m a a musician um and studio came later. Um, so,
20:5020 minutes, 50 secondsum, rather than getting completely bugged out about the fact that I don’t have, uh, you know, $20,000
20:5920 minutes, 59 secondsU47 um, at hand. I you just have to put that aside. And it’s it’s important to
21:0621 minutes, 6 secondsrealize that you don’t need that. That there’s plenty of other tools out there.
21:1121 minutes, 11 secondsUm and and you can have a you know a finite amount of those tools and yeah limitations which is important to have.
21:2121 minutes, 21 secondsI think there’s power in those. I really do. I think there’s a a lot of power in limitations. I think there’s a lot of power in in limiting yourself to, you
21:3121 minutes, 31 secondsknow, one of the one of the things that I talk to about my students on a regular basis is the fact that
21:3821 minutes, 38 secondsbecause we now have unlimited tracks and plugins up the wazoo, it it tends to
21:4421 minutes, 44 secondsmake people not bring their agame. They don’t commit to things. They don’t say, “Oh, I’m going to do the ultimate vocal
21:5221 minutes, 52 secondstake here.” Because they instead have an attitude of, “Oh, I can always do another one.” and we can comp it, you know. And personally, I’d much
22:0022 minutesrather see a situation where people are saying, “Okay, I’m going to give it my all and we’re going to record this live
22:0822 minutes, 8 secondsand if the groove isn’t there, we’re going to do another take, but you know, we’re going to commit to certain aspects of it.” And I think there’s a real power
22:1722 minutes, 17 secondsin those limits. So yeah, we’re going to focus on that with Ross as well and stress the importance of a recording session not being simply
22:2622 minutes, 26 secondsa documentation. There is actually an art of recording and a lot of people take the fix it in the mix approach nowadays because you
22:3322 minutes, 33 secondscan do so much, you know, and you can like stem separation, getting rid of noise, getting rid of whatever afterwards, but
22:4122 minutes, 41 secondsit’s never going to be quite as good as if you just capture the performance right in the first place. So, the pre-production is understated
22:4822 minutes, 48 secondsas time goes on. And um and then as you said, people have a preconception about certain gear being necessary. You know,
22:5622 minutes, 56 secondslike you’re going to find maybe one in every five rappers are going to ask if a studio has a C800 going into a CL1B.
23:0723 minutes, 7 secondsAnd a lot of this is commerce and marketing. But now that we know that all preamps sound the same, it’s not as important anymore. Joe, that’s true. Yes.
23:1723 minutes, 17 secondsLet’s not open that can of worms.
23:1923 minutes, 19 secondsBut uh yeah, it’s not about the gear, it’s about the ear and the mentality.
23:2423 minutes, 24 secondsLook, again, gear is important, but there’s so much of it, you know? Yeah.
23:2723 minutes, 27 secondsAnd there might be a 1% difference, that’s subjective at the end of the day. So, it’s really about how you use it.
23:3323 minutes, 33 secondsSo, if someone wants to spend three grand buying uh a new hardware compressor or spending three grand going
23:4123 minutes, 41 secondsto a 4-day retreat, you know, they can decide on what’s worth more the worthwhile investment, but I think Dan and I have a certain opinion on that
23:4923 minutes, 49 secondsand, you know, we all love nice gear, but still.
23:5223 minutes, 52 secondsYeah. No, I love it. I’m carried away with you.
23:5523 minutes, 55 secondsYeah. I’m right there with you on that and I and I agree. you know, I mean, the gear is important, but the truth of the
24:0224 minutes, 2 secondsmatter is outside of those of us who may be listening to playback in the studio, uh, once you put that music out there,
24:1024 minutes, 10 secondsthere are so many other variables in terms of the the environment that the person is listening to it in and and whatnot and, you know, most of that
24:2024 minutes, 20 secondsnuance is going to get diminished if not lost completely. So, I have to agree with you on that. Um, so,
24:2924 minutes, 29 secondsuh, here’s your chance to to promote the whole thing. Tell us how people can sign up for this, when it is, where it is,
24:3724 minutes, 37 secondsand all of that good stuff. Details, please. Yeah.
24:4624 minutes, 46 secondsUm, so it’s going to be taking place July 23rd through the 27th, just a couple weeks away, out here in Joshua Tree at Gateau’s Trail Recording Studio.
24:5624 minutes, 56 secondsUm, you can apply at sonicssummits with an s.com.
25:0225 minutes, 2 secondsUm, there’s a all the information is there. Uh, as well as a short application, just a little tell us about
25:0825 minutes, 8 secondsyourself. Um, and then we’ll get back in touch with you and, um, and and get you signed up.
25:1725 minutes, 17 secondsAnd we’ll put all that in the comments here, too, so yeah, people can see that. Yeah. What am I What am I missing, Shane?
25:2525 minutes, 25 secondsUm just that it’s about what one and a half hours two hours drive from kind of downtown LA.
25:3325 minutes, 33 secondsWould that be about right? Yeah. Two two to two and a half.
25:3625 minutes, 36 secondsTwo two and yeah it depends on how many people get in your way, but yeah. Yeah.
25:4125 minutes, 41 secondsI do the commute time and it’s it’s it’s consistently two and a half hours from like middle of Hollywood out to Josh.
25:5025 minutes, 50 secondsOnce you get very pleasant, things get much better. Yeah.
25:5425 minutes, 54 secondsRight. Yeah. Very pleasant drive. And um if anyone lives locally or lives in Palm Springs, if they want to commute, then
26:0126 minutes, 1 secondof course if they don’t need the hotel that we’re providing, whatever else, then the ticket will be less expensive because they don’t need that. So people
26:0826 minutes, 8 secondscan just get in touch with us um about their circumstances and we can be very flexible with uh the cost of this and you know paying over time or upfront.
26:1926 minutes, 19 secondsAnd um yeah, if if they want it, we just provide absolutely everything, even transport. If they want to fly into Palm
26:2726 minutes, 27 secondsSprings, we have a few international people. We can even pick them up from the airport, hotel, four nights, all the meals. We’ve got um two excellent
26:3526 minutes, 35 secondsprivate chefs uh who have worked with us before um coming in from LA who are going to live on site. So, everything is
26:4326 minutes, 43 secondsprovided. And uh if you’re someone who lives closer and you just want to commute and go home in the evenings, that’s also totally possible, of course.
26:5126 minutes, 51 secondsYeah.
26:5226 minutes, 52 secondsYeah. It’s uh important to uh reiterate the all-inclusive side of it. Um uh like you just said, Shane, so it’s
27:0027 minutesit’s all the meals. We’re going to have on the on um the opening day. We’re going to have
27:0727 minutes, 7 secondsum a welcome dinner that’s going to be catered by one of the best mex Mexican restaurants in town. They bring like the
27:1427 minutes, 14 secondsmobile unit here and it’s it’s really fun and and really great. So, while we’re doing uh preliminary setup on day one where we’re going to run through
27:2327 minutes, 23 secondseverything um like the patchbay patching uh outboard geared like really the we’re starting from scratch so everyone can
27:3227 minutes, 32 secondssee exactly like Ross coming into his studio for for the very first moments and exactly what he does to start
27:4027 minutes, 40 secondssetting up for the session. So, we’re going to we’re going to start there.
27:4327 minutes, 43 secondsThen we’re going to have an amazing welcome dinner for everybody. Then um then from there do a session without tacos, man.
27:5127 minutes, 51 secondsExactly.
27:5427 minutes, 54 secondsYeah. Then from there it’s every day is a session day. Um the three days following that we’ll be um recording the
28:0228 minutes, 2 secondsband, tracking the band. Then we’ll get into overdubs and um and uh mixing.
28:1028 minutes, 10 secondsuh and then we’ll get into uh final mix and then going through attendees material if they care to share it um
28:1828 minutes, 18 secondswith Ross for for feedback. As I mentioned, each day we’ll have breakfast, lunch, and dinner catered as uh Shane was mentioning um by private
28:2728 minutes, 27 secondschefs that are coming in. So, it’s really an all-inclusive um retreat uh vacation style retreat that happens to
28:3528 minutes, 35 secondsrevolve around a um an audio master class taught by one of the best in the business.
28:4228 minutes, 42 secondsYeah. And a wonderful artist as well. Um our guest artist is called Tristan Lakeabu. Great vocalist, songwriter,
28:4928 minutes, 49 secondssinger, and guitarist. And uh we’ve got some top class session musicians joining him as well. So, you’re going to see a
28:5728 minutes, 57 secondslot of musical talent alongside of the engineering talent.
29:0129 minutes, 1 secondAnd another thing that just came to mind is that the hotel has a really nice swimming pool as well. So, people can enjoy swimming in a pool in the desert,
29:0829 minutes, 8 secondsthe sunrise, and uh as well as the studio. So, it will be like a vacation, a very
29:1529 minutes, 15 secondseducational vacation for people. Doesn’t get much better than that. Yeah.
29:2129 minutes, 21 secondsWell, thank you, gentlemen. and we will uh we will spread the word about this and um and hopefully I I wish you all a uh a lovely event.
29:3229 minutes, 32 secondsThank you so much. Really appreciate you. Thank you.
29:3929 minutes, 39 secondsHey, I’m Daniel Keller. Don’t forget to hit the subscribe button and join us each week for Insights and Sound.

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