Insights In Sound 201 – Phill Scholes, VP Solid State Logic – S21 E1

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I’m here with Phil Skos. He is vice
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president of Solid State Logic. And we
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are here at the Group One SSL offices in
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the US. The West Coast office is that
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you you have an east coast office.
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We do have an east coast office. Yeah.
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Absolutely. We’ve got one in New York
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and one here in LA. Yes.
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And you are probably one of the longest
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still working SSL uh employees. Right.
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In the US that is true. Um not for the
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company though. We do actually have
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people who outrank me in terms of
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longevity by a good margin actually.
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So I’ve been with the company nearly 25
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years now, but we do have some employees
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that have been with the company 40
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years.
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Yeah. really more than one actually.
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Yeah.
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Wow. What does your role encompass
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now?
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So I’m VP here of SSL LA. Um mainly
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these days what I look after is the
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recording console business and that’s
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consoles like this one right here which
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is the Duality. Um so I do a lot of work
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with people in commercial recording
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studios and also private users as well
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who are fortunate enough to be able to
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buy things like this. So mainly I stay
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on that. Um I have done other roles in
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the past with SSL but nowadays that’s
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what I mo mostly focus on is the studio
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console business.
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What was your when when you first came
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into the company? What were you what um
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what did you start out as?
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I started out as a service engineer in
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the UK. So um SSL HQ and um I did that
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for a couple years actually. So
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specifically I was looking after the
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digital products then. Um, so I used to
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go on site and commission consoles and
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and kind of get them up and running. So
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that was my initial role at SSL.
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Digital stuff was fairly new at that
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point, too.
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Yeah, it was very different than it is
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now. Um, but
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a lot more headaches.
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It was it was a lot harder actually.
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Digital was a lot harder than back then.
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Yeah, it really was.
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So the the digital wars have, you know,
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more or less been won at this point,
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whereas they were they were still you
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were still in the thick of it when you
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when you started out, I guess.
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It it was. and SSL kind of pioneered a
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few different technologies back then as
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well including MADI. You know, we were
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one of the companies that that
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introduced the MADI standard um along
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with um along with a couple of other
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console companies. So, it was kind of in
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the infancy and we were using our own
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version of that internally as well. So,
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there’s there’s been many changes. I
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think one of the things which is really
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cool about this job is it’s continually
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changing. There’s new technologies that
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you have to know about and you have to
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learn about. So that’s been that’s been
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fun.
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Yeah, you’ve really I mean one thing I
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will say for SSL is they have maintained
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sort of a cutting edge uh attitude not
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just the technology itself but always
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really trying to do new stuff.
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Yeah. Which has been you know that it’s
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harder and harder to do I think because
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as we’ve [clears throat] gotten more and
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more standardized
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you know it’s kind of it it’s hard to
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break new ground. Yeah, that’s SSL has
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always tried to push things forward.
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It’s not just about like, okay, here’s
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an EQ, here’s a compressor. It’s about
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workflow for us. And that’s actually how
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the company was founded. When Colin
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Sanders founded the company, the reason
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that SSL makes consoles is because he
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couldn’t find a console which did the
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job he wanted it to. So, he’s like,
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well, I’m just going to build one. So,
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and that that really has kind of formed
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a lot of the way we think about things
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now. It’s like, okay, let’s let’s look
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at something, identify what needs to be
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done, and make a groundbreaking product.
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So, we we do that to this day. We really
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try and push the boundaries of of
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creating tools for people that that work
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in the industry every day and need
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something extra.
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Yeah. Well, I mean, as we were talking
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before and before we started rolling the
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cameras here, you know, I um my first
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SSL console was a B series.
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Yeah. And um you know back then I mean
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it was pretty much SSL and Neve were the
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two real high-end consoles at that
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point. Yeah.
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And I remember that console distinctly
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because it had the um the lovely British
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insults built in it.
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Yeah.
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There’s there’s some there’s some humor
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in what we do as well. I mean we we live
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this stuff. We breathe this stuff. And
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you know you’ll find little bits of
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humor in SSL documentation in the
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software you know. Another thing I
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really like.
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Yeah,
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it’s um
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you you’ll find it in the volume pot on
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every analog console. There’s a little
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Spinal Tap reference in there.
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11. Yeah, I know.
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And that love that
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that didn’t happen until the movie came
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out. Our consoles only went to 10 until
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the movie came out. And ever since that
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movie, they all go to 11.
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Well done. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. Now
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I know that um for you coming up in this
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company must have been really kind of an
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evolution not only of the technology but
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of your own sort of place in the
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industry.
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Yeah, very much so. I mean I’ve I’m now
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in LA. I’ve been in LA about 20 years
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now. Um before that I worked at SSL New
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York. I was there for two years and then
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prior to that I was at SSL UK for three
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years. So I’ I’ve been with the company
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in three different locations and you
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know I’ve been fortunate enough to be
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able to transfer skills to places they
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were needed and LA is is the place I’ve
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been for the longest now.
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So what’s your background before that? I
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mean did you come from a place of
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wanting to be a record producer or
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musician or what got you into this?
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I think originally I mean originally I’m
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a I’m a musician. I’m a guitar player.
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I’ve always had an interest in um in
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music since before then. Um, but I’m I’m
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a self-taught guitar player. And then
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when I started to be in bands, um, I
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naturally gravitated towards being on
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the other side of the glass. I prefer
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being in the control room rather than
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performing. I I prefer the gear. I I
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love I love the technology behind
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creating music. Um, so so my first real
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job in the industry um was working for a
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rival console company actually. So I
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worked for AMS Neve for for about six
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years. Um I ended up being uh being the
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the analog products team leader there.
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So I ran the analog department.
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Oh, interesting.
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And I so I I done consoles now for over
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30 years. So six years there and nearly
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25 years at SSL now.
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So you never worked in an actual studio
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sitting?
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I as only as a only as a recording
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myself. But as um but since you know
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since I learned skills I do that. So I
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do that now and I’ve done that for a
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long time but prior to working for AMS
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Neve I would only only recorded myself.
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I’d never actually recorded other people
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but now days I do that as well.
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Yeah. You know because I’m always
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fascinated about that. A lot of people
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in our industry um they sort of almost
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fall forward into positions, you know,
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because a lot of times we don’t realize
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what jobs are out there. We don’t know.
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For example, when I I started out again
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as a musician, I I walked into the
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studio to record with my band and was
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immediately enamored, you know, the the
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blinking lights just hypnotized me
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immediately, you know, and um I think
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for me it was the process of then
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working in the studio, wanting to get
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more involved in the studio and then I
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literally I wanted to be an engineer. I
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wanted to start out as a second and I
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walked into a studio and they said,
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“Well, you got some technical skills and
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next thing I knew I was working in the
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tech department of this of this studio.”
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And then eventually it ran that tech
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department. But, you know, again, it’s
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it’s it’s
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a situation of not really knowing what
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you want to do until you discover that
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it’s there.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Was that the same way for you?
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I think I think it was to to a degree.
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Yeah. Absolutely. I think one of one of
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the things for me is like I like I say I
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love the technology behind this and I’m
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I’m trained in electronics. So my degree
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that I studied for was in electronics
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and the main reason I did that actually
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was because at the time in England you
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couldn’t study recording engineering.
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There wasn’t
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there weren’t schools
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there weren’t schools to do that. So the
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closest thing was electronics and I have
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a kind of a minor I guess you would call
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it in recording production. Um, and that
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was as close as I could get really to I
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I I wish it were like it is now where
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schools and colleges have the kind of
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equipment and the kind of courses. But
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yeah, I I this to me marries together my
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love of electronics and love of the
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technology behind recording.
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And I think to a certain extent the
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companies have driven the knowledge that
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goes into the schools.
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Yeah. you know, because I I mean I I
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know for a fact that many of the school,
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you know, the two schools I teach at
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both have SSL consoles, you know, and
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almost every other school that I’ve
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worked at has at least one SSL console.
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Some of them have multiples, you know,
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and I know that there’s a big outreach
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from this company. I mean, from a lot of
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companies, but you know, I have to give
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credit to SSL for that. There’s a big
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outreach there in terms of teaching
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students.
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Yeah. And not just teaching them how to
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use the cure, but how to what’s inside
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it, how to fix it, how to make it
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better.
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Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, and I think,
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you know, we we’ve got anecdotal stories
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of people who went to college, studied
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on a duality, and then all of a sudden
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10 years later in their career, they buy
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one. I mean, literally, that’s happened.
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We’re investing in people because we we
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we really want to push the boundaries of
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what of what is possible and also make
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sure that people understand that you
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know the highlevel tools that we make
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are usable and attainable and can one
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day you will see them in a studio. So I
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think one of the things that we try and
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do when we do the outreach to the
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colleges is is let people know okay if
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you get trained in this this is going to
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continue in your career as a recording
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engineer or a mixer and that that
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happens all the time.
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I mentioned to you earlier that I did
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artist relations for a microphone
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company and the same thing is true
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there. I think if you introduce students
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at an early phase in their careers to a
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certain technology, there’s a certain
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loyalty that goes with because they they
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know it. They’ve been around it for a
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long time. And one of the things that we
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were talking about earlier is that SSL
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now makes more affordable gear. You
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know, it’s not just a $200,000 console.
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Yeah. Exactly.
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Yeah. Yeah. Again, it’s to we we try and
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make tools that are fit for purpose. So
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this is fit for a purpose of the highest
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end recording studio but not everybody
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has the space for that and not everybody
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has the budget for that. So we will make
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something that’s some that’s fits the
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space requirements and the budget
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requirements as well and we also find
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you know the people that buy this will
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also buy the smaller products as well.
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So we try and maintain that quality
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throughout. So one of our recent um
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customers for duality is Dr. Dre and he
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has a big 96 channel version of this I
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installed from about a year ago.
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Mhm.
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In the back of his room all where his
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producers sit, they have the SSL 2
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pluses and they
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that they plug into their laptop and
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then they feed the big console from the
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small little device. So, you know, for
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them it has this little device has to be
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almost as good as this big device. So,
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translate the everything from the
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workflow to even the knobs, you know.
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really be able to maintain that
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consistency, I think.
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Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And that’s, you
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know, it’s not just about it’s not just
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about making tools, but it’s making
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tools that are familiar to people. So,
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you know, we’ll we’ll always try and
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make it so that you can understand and
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use a product as well. So, you know,
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familiar color schemes, familiar layouts
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that so you can look at and go, “Oh, I
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know how to use this.” You know, I think
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one of the things we talked about
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earlier was how there’s people in our
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industry that learn differently and
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there are people that that you know that
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have skills which mean that they can see
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something and know how to use it.
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Absolutely.
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And we really try and do that. I learn
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most of our consoles without a manual.
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Um so when we launch a product, we’ll
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launch the product. The manual typically
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comes after the launch of a product. So
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I don’t have a manual. So I have to be
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able to look at something and understand
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it. And it might be something this big
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or it might be something this small. So
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we make them in such a way that people
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can look at them and understand them.
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And that gives them confidence, you
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know. And I think one of the things when
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you are recording, you have to feel
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confident and comfortable in the studio.
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You don’t want to feel like it it’s like
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it’s too hard for you. If it is too hard
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for you, it takes you out of the
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creative process.
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That’s a big part of it. And you know,
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yeah, we were talking earlier about uh
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the the neurode divergence that is so
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common in our industry. And I think part
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of that is the fact that what we do and
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especially something like this is such a
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mix of left and right brains because
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we’re using technology to create art.
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Yeah.
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And art is a very light is a very
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rightrain thing, you know, in terms of
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how we create what the creative process
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is all about. But yet we use these very
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leftrain tools.
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And part of the you know part of it is
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of course from your end designing tools
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that can you have to put yourself in
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that right brain space in order to
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design a tool that can be used that
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intuitively that it becomes invisible to
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the process.
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Exactly. Yeah. Without a doubt. That’s
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one of the things which is really key.
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Um, I think one of the as I like you, I
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I speak at universities and I talk to
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people and one of the things I try and
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tell people about hardware products and
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console products really is you shouldn’t
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really have to think about it when you
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use them. So, I can mix inside the box
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in a DAW and I can insert a, you know, a
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plugin and I can use it. It requires me
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to think about that because I have to go
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through a menu system, you know, right?
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And if I’m if I’ve got an idea that I
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want to get down on my guitar or
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whatever instrument I might be playing,
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I have to I have to temporarily pause
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and click menus to do what I’m doing.
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Something like this um really does
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behave like an instrument. It behaves
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like a guitar or a drum kit in that you
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just should be able to grab it and use
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it. And some of our customers, Manny
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Maroquin’s one in particular, he says
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his instrument is the SSL and he plays
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it really well. Yeah. And and that’s how
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I feel when I’m mixing. I really enjoy
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mixing on a console. Um because I just
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don’t have to think about it. It becomes
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I know where everything is. I know how
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to use it. I can grab multiple things at
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the same time and I don’t have to think
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about it. And that to me is it it keeps
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me in that creative mindset.
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And you can see, you know, it’s
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enjoyable. It’s enjoyable. You see
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mixers who really get into the music
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while they’re mixing on things like
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this. You don’t necessarily see that as
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much if you are having to go into an in
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the box system where you have to do
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session setup and prep and all that
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stuff.
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That’s why people love control surfaces
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so much too because it’s that good
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marriage of the tactile
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intuitive interface with all the stuff
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in the box.
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Exactly. Yeah. Exactly that. And I think
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you know there’s a hardware to me will
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always have a place in mixing.
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Absolutely. No, very much. And that’s
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the thing also that you know
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every SSL console now is directly is
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also a control surface.
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Yes. Exactly. And that’s so important
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because, you know, we come from a space
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where this was originally the interface
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to a 2-in machine and, you know, all of
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that. And so to be able to maintain that
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so that uh, you know, because when you
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talk about OG old school people, if I
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work in a DAW, I’m approaching that DAW
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as a tape machine. I know enough about
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ProTools to get myself in trouble. Yeah.
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You know, a lot of us do.
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Yeah. you know, and it’s wonderful to
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have, you know, to have a younger
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generation who has come up with ProTools
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and and things like that being so
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intuitive, but at the same time, they
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still want to have this this interface,
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you know, this this kind of connection
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to it where I like to grab faders. I
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like to be able to play the channels.
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Yeah. You [clears throat] know, and when
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you talk about a guitar, it’s the same
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thing. You know, when you’re learning
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the guitar, even even at the point that
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you are an experienced guitar player,
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certain aspects of it still force you to
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go back into that left brain place.
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Yeah.
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You know, if I’m learning a new chord,
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you know, or something like that, or if
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even if I’m just playing a different
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instrument.
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Yeah.
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You know, and and I think the idea of
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being able to bridge those worlds is so
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important.
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Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Cool.
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[clears throat]
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And I I really I I love what you guys
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are doing with this stuff now. And
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really, I mean, I I I think this
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the duality in particular is is a it’s a
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it’s a quantum leap in certain ways in
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terms of the the way that it connects
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those the way that it bridges those
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Yeah.
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feelings. Yeah. And and a lot of it is
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about making, you know, making it so
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that people can work quickly as well.
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you know, people nobody has as much
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patience as they did a long time ago.
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So, we make things where people can work
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quickly now. So, yeah, it it’s all about
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that. It’s it’s
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there isn’t one reason to to get an SSL
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console. There’s many reasons. And, you
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know, the workflow, the speed, the
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sound,
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all of those things really contribute to
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something which which is more than the
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sum of its parts. And I think, you know,
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we we’re very fortunate in the customers
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that we have that recognize that. So,
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and come back for more and more and
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more. So, that has been great. And I
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think part of the our success is is that
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approach is we don’t just stand still.
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There are there are great sounding
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consoles from the 1970s. You know, if
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you look at consoles from other
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manufacturers from, you know, from the
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1970s, they haven’t necessarily evolved
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too much. We try and always evolve. So,
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some of them are no longer in existence
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as companies. Yeah. you know, a great
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many of them. In fact,
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yes, good. Yeah, the con the console
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business is a tough business and I think
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that’s, you know, to build something
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which people want to buy on at this kind
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of price point, it’s, you know, there’s
19:20
not that many companies that are that
19:22
have the ability to do that really.
19:23
Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of those have, you
19:25
know, more or less turned into uh legacy
19:28
products at this point. A lot of the
19:31
great consoles from the ‘7s are now
19:34
basically in lunchboxes.
19:36
Yeah. you know and and that’s wonderful.
19:38
It’s it’s great that they can still be
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perpetuated in that way. Yeah.
19:42
But yeah, I think you know there are
19:43
very few companies that are still
19:45
actually building that. I
19:46
think something else which is notable as
19:48
well. There are only two console
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companies that make plugins.
19:52
Didn’t know whether you know that.
19:54
I did know that. Yeah.
19:55
One of them is SSL
19:56
and one of them is Harrison which is
19:58
owned by SSL. No,
20:00
all of the other plugins you will see
20:02
for different console companies are all
20:04
licensed by
20:06
interesting.
20:06
They’re not made by the company, but
20:08
SSL, we make our own plugins and
20:10
Harrison makes their own plugins as
20:12
well, but everybody else it might be,
20:14
you know, a version of it licensed by
20:17
this other plug-in company, whether that
20:18
be Waves or Plug-in Alliance or anybody
20:22
like that, but they are not made by the
20:24
same people that make the consoles, but
20:26
we make our own plugins.
20:28
That’s interesting. The plugins tend to
20:30
be sort of the the introductory
20:32
experience a [snorts] lot of times, you
20:34
know, it’s the it’s the walk into
20:38
the world, you know, and get introduced
20:40
to that and then you you know, hopefully
20:42
you want the hardware after that. Yeah,
20:44
that’s um that’s a conversation that
20:47
I’ve had with a number of companies
20:50
whose whose hardware has been modeled,
20:53
you know, and it’s true and I mean it it
20:55
does make sense, you know, but yeah, I
20:57
think um being able to integrate those
20:59
plugins into the system itself and
21:03
really make it almost seamless.
21:05
Yeah, and that that’s what we do as
21:06
well. Our controllers are directly
21:08
mapped to our plugins. So again, you get
21:10
that console experience and that’s
21:12
that’s you know that again it’s
21:13
something that’s we want to try and help
21:15
people you know really try and help
21:17
people work creatively quickly and
21:19
that’s that’s the whole point of it.
21:21
Nice. So tell me from your experience
21:24
since you’ve been in this industry for
21:26
as long as you have uh you’ve seen a lot
21:29
of people come through the audio schools
21:32
and then progress to become
21:34
professionals and whatnot and progress
21:36
to different jobs within the industry.
21:38
Yeah.
21:39
What’s your advice to 15year-old you
21:42
coming into the industry now?
21:44
I think I think really the the people
21:46
that I see that are successful have
21:48
common traits. Um they they are nice
21:53
people and they are people you want to
21:55
be around. That is the biggest skill you
21:57
can have. Um and you do that by being
22:02
being knowledgeable, by being available,
22:05
and by doing your homework. And that’s
22:08
that’s most of what I see. So I’m I’m
22:10
fortunate enough that I I train a lot of
22:12
people um within the industry. So part
22:14
of what I do at SSL is I’ll teach people
22:16
how to use things and a lot of the time
22:19
those are those Grammy winners. So those
22:21
people who have 15 16 Grammys, I will
22:25
teach them about a new SSL product and
22:27
they some of the people who have the
22:29
biggest names in the industry are very
22:32
humble people and they’re willing to
22:33
learn. You know, I’ve trained people who
22:36
are extremely knowledgeable, way more
22:38
knowledgeable than me at mixing records,
22:39
but they are willing to learn and they
22:42
are they have that attitude. And I think
22:44
that’s the biggest thing you can do. I
22:46
think
22:47
as a recording engineer specifically,
22:49
you’re going to spend 10 12 hours in in
22:52
a room with one person. You have to be a
22:54
likable individual that’s wellprepared,
22:57
who knows what they’re doing, and has a
22:59
reason to be in that room. And I think
23:01
you could those are skills that you can
23:03
really develop in terms of being
23:05
prepared and being knowledgeable. And I
23:07
think that’s what I try and do. I try
23:09
and learn everything.
23:11
Also put your finger on another very
23:12
important point which is being humble.
23:15
Yeah. Because you know I think the more
23:18
we the more we learn the more we realize
23:20
the less we know.
23:21
Yeah.
23:22
You know and I love the idea that I can
23:25
learn something new every day. We can
23:28
learn from people who are much younger
23:29
than us. You know, we were talking about
23:31
that earlier about the whole idea of
23:33
learning from our students, you know,
23:35
and really I think
23:38
as you say, you know, I mean, of course,
23:40
you have to be a nice person, you know,
23:41
that’s something that can’t be learned.
23:43
Those are social skills in in a sense,
23:45
but really being able to embrace the
23:49
fact that you can learn something from
23:51
anyone. You can really always learn
23:54
something. And those of us who
23:58
those of us who really have a passion
24:00
for this, I think we’re always looking
24:02
to learn something new.
24:04
Yeah. Yeah. I think I mean we’re all in
24:06
this industry because we love music and
24:09
we love the art of making music and you
24:12
know I see that to this day. I see you
24:13
know engineers in the 60s who enjoy what
24:16
they do tremendously. They they are fans
24:18
of the music they make. you know, they
24:21
will publicize the artists that that
24:24
they’re working with just because they
24:25
believe in them. And I think we all
24:26
believe in that that idea that music can
24:29
elevate people and our role in that is
24:31
to help elevate that that art that
24:34
people, you know, are creating.
24:36
Yeah, that’s a very good point and I I
24:40
love the fact that you’re still doing
24:42
that to this day.
24:44
Wonderful. Cool.
24:46
Phil Skulls, thank you for being my
24:47
guest.
24:48
Thank you. Thank you for having me.
24:49
Appreciate it. Been a pleasure. Thanks.
24:55
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